Go releases and events from EMEA and around the world
I always sometimes yearn for, like, a tiny update.
Jonathan Hall:That's hilarious. Excuse me. I need to I need to recover from that joke.
Shay Nehmad:Oh, recover. Nice.
Jonathan Hall:This is Cup of Go for 09/04/2026. Keep up to date with the important happenings in the Go community in about twenty minutes per week. I'm Jonathan Hall. And I'm Shay Nehmad. Hey, Shay.
Shay Nehmad:I have ridden the bike bus this morning. So got up early, got my kid in a line with a whole bunch of other kids, rode to school. I feel like I'm in the middle of my workday even though we're recording this in the morning.
Jonathan Hall:I feel like I'm in the middle of my workday too because I already took the kids to school and picked one of them up, and it's almost 1PM here. So I guess I guess time zones are weird like that.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. Yeah. I know. Then the energy should be more normal because usually when we're recording, I'm just like waking up and I'm already still in my morning coffee. So unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, it depends on my Cup O Go cup.
Shay Nehmad:I don't know if it's allowed, but it actually doesn't have coffee. It has, like, seltzer.
Jonathan Hall:Oh, no.
Shay Nehmad:I hope it's okay. What are we gonna talk about today?
Jonathan Hall:Today, we have some conferences. We have some releases. We have some what do you call it on blue sky? Is it a tweet? Is it a I don't know what that's called.
Jonathan Hall:Is it even called a tweet on Twitter anymore? Because Twitter's not even Twitter anymore. Tweet tweets are so last year.
Shay Nehmad:Tweets on Last decade. Blue sky called. Just called posts.
Jonathan Hall:Posts. Well, okay.
Shay Nehmad:What are
Jonathan Hall:they called on x these days?
Shay Nehmad:I guess still I'm I still call them tweets.
Jonathan Hall:I know. Well, we have we have some of those things. Well, at least one of those to talk about.
Shay Nehmad:The interesting show. Blog post from TinyGo and the lightning round, a lot of things to get into. Mhmm. Let's start with a conference roundup. So That sounds like a fine idea.
Shay Nehmad:Fine idea. I get it. FineConf twenty twenty six is gonna be a Fine, f y n e, conference in Mainland Europe. If you're a long time listener of the show, you already know Fine because it's a cool project we talked about a lot and also headed by a friend of the show, Andy Williams, that co hosted and was a guest and who was on a live episode, did a lot of things. If you don't know what it is, it's a UI development toolkit.
Shay Nehmad:I guess that's fair to say.
Jonathan Hall:I think that's fair.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. It helps you build cross platform apps in Go. So no web, no JavaScript, like just Go to build a native app on every platform, like Windows, Mac, Linux, like a a user app.
Jonathan Hall:All sorts of stuff.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There there are some examples, on the site that were added since I was there before.
Shay Nehmad:Bible text. Not
Jonathan Hall:for
Shay Nehmad:me, but still cool. Interactive visualization of a solar system Orbitly, serial monitor, I don't know, all kinds of cool things. And there's gonna be a meetup for that September 11, hosted by the Social Hub in The Netherlands.
Jonathan Hall:If you're in Eindhoven. If you're in Eindhoven and the tickets are free, so there's no reason not to go.
Shay Nehmad:Unless you're not in The Netherlands.
Jonathan Hall:Unless you're not in The Netherlands.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. Any was that near you?
Jonathan Hall:It would have been so I I lived near Amsterdam, so an hour and a half away. I certainly would have gone if I were living in the in The Netherlands still. I would definitely go. So anyway, Andy, next time if you do it in Atlanta, I'll be there for sure.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. Or in California.
Jonathan Hall:There we go. There we go.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. So FIND Conf is happening in The Netherlands. What other conferences are happening worldwide? So I have two to talk
Jonathan Hall:about that are definitely not in The Netherlands. One is the West Central African Gophers Meetup. This isn't really a conference. It's a meetup, it's online. So I guess you could go there from The Netherlands or from anywhere else.
Jonathan Hall:Yeah. This is happening on September 30. And yeah, we talks, networking, and open source. Open source is I always
Shay Nehmad:always wonder about online meetups, you know what I mean, that are like remote. Yeah. Like, is the value there or not? And also if it's remote, like, why limit it to a specific geographical region?
Jonathan Hall:Yeah.
Shay Nehmad:But I guess it makes sense, right?
Jonathan Hall:So my take is there is value, but it's a different value than if you're there in person. The only time I went to an online meetup was during COVID when that was the only option I went to. And I did go to some. I watched some in places I wouldn't normally go, couple in The UK or, you know, different places that I normally wouldn't attend. So, yeah, that's valuable just to have some diversity, but it's certainly a very different experience.
Jonathan Hall:I don't know how they're doing it here, but when I've done some of these before, other than during COVID, there's usually an in person experience and an online experience. So you can still go there. Like, if you're in West Africa and want to go there physically, you can. I don't if that's the case here. They only talk about online.
Shay Nehmad:So, you know, these meetups, they have a tendency to build up. So if you're a listener from that region of the world, go check it out. Link is in the show notes. And also in Africa, but definitely an in person thing, is GopherCon Africa. Right?
Jonathan Hall:Yes. GopherCon Africa is happening a few weeks later, October fifteen through seventeen in Nairobi, Kenya. I had the pleasure of sitting next to one of the the organizers of this conference when I was at Gopher Con in Seattle a few weeks ago. So if you are looking for the non online experience in Africa, this is what you should be signing up for. Tickets are available, and the schedule's online, so you can go check all that out and decide if you wanna
Shay Nehmad:I had no idea that what is the Kenyan currency? Do you know off the top of
Jonathan Hall:your head? I I do not.
Shay Nehmad:So funnily enough, it's spelled the cash, like, kh. But it's Kenyan shilling.
Jonathan Hall:Ah, there we go.
Shay Nehmad:And like the the it's 3,500 Kenyan shillings for the all three days pass, which is the most expensive one, which is like $25 So at least for me, it's not relatively, not super expensive. Sponsored by Google with Tailscale, Moneypoint, very cool. It's a packed schedule. It's like a three day thing. There's a keynote.
Shay Nehmad:There's Bill Kennedy's, workshop on ultimate software design and engineering. You attended a part of it, right?
Jonathan Hall:Yeah. When I was in Montreal. Yep.
Shay Nehmad:Yep. Yeah. Got a lot of talks.
Jonathan Hall:A bunch of folks. Ainsley Clark from JetBrains will be there. I met him in Seattle as well. I'm sure I've met some of these folks that I don't recall. I'm terrible with names and faces, by the way.
Jonathan Hall:So don't don't take offense if I don't remember I met you.
Shay Nehmad:But it looks like a packed schedule and and high quality events. Some of them are not confirmed yet, so still cool. I I don't plan to go because it's kind of far. Yeah. But it looks like a really cool event.
Shay Nehmad:And it's only the third one. Like, I'm when I think about Gopher Cons, I'm like, oh, Gopher Cons have been going on for years, but I guess this one's relatively new. It's newer than our podcast, I guess. I wonder if we talked about the first one three years ago.
Jonathan Hall:I don't know.
Shay Nehmad:We should we should dig through the crates and check. Anyway, go for Con Africa.
Jonathan Hall:If you were gonna go somewhere close to you, where would you go, Shay?
Shay Nehmad:Well, one thing I would, go to is the San Francisco meetup.
Jonathan Hall:Ah, that does sound closer to you.
Shay Nehmad:But, unfortunately, I don't know where it's happening yet. So Oh. I'm the Go SF organizer. If you are in San Francisco and you wanna host me and my meetups around October, November, please let me know. I'm looking for a location.
Shay Nehmad:I'll post it in some Slacks as well. I don't know. If you're a listener and you work in San Francisco and your company's willing to host around like 50 people and some talks and you have a good enough room and you're willing to pay for like food and board, I I think that's it. These are all the conditions. Okay.
Shay Nehmad:Reach out.
Jonathan Hall:Very cool.
Shay Nehmad:Alright. Meetups and conferences.
Jonathan Hall:Let's get on to some actual news on I guess that is news, but let's talk about some Go stuff.
Shay Nehmad:But the conferences are about Go.
Jonathan Hall:I'm so confused. What are we gonna talk about next?
Shay Nehmad:Go version one twenty seven one has been released.
Jonathan Hall:Didn't one twenty seven zero just come out?
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. This is a not super crazy, but just has a lot of small fixes, compiler fixes, whatever. I'm surprised that the amount, by the way, of, like, all the fixes that were introduced to, you know, CGO, Compiler, Runtime, GoFix, GoModernize, like whatever, SIMD, because they had the RC and they ran all the tests, but turns out when you actually release stuff to the world, you find all sorts of weird bugs. I found a really funny one, but any any specific issue in this release that or I guess fixing this release that caught your eye?
Jonathan Hall:It's just a grab bag of stuff. One that catches my eye though, quoted null rejected for string fields with the string option in Go one twenty seven. So I guess the even JSON v two running that as an experiment for a year and a half wasn't enough to catch all the bugs.
Shay Nehmad:And the one that caught my eye, funnily funnily enough, is also comma related. I guess this really just doesn't like commas. But you know how we have the modernizer? Like command, GoFix command?
Jonathan Hall:Mhmm.
Shay Nehmad:What what do you expect it to do, like, when you run GoFix now?
Jonathan Hall:With a comma?
Shay Nehmad:Just generally. Like, generally I
Jonathan Hall:expect it to modernize and fix my Go code.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. And definitely not break it. Right? Like, always, always, it should work.
Jonathan Hall:I would expect it not to break stuff yet.
Shay Nehmad:So there's the really funny, in my opinion, case that someone found where, you know, you're trying to be good and document your code, right? So you add inside a struct next to a field, you add a comment. So let's say you have a struct called options, and it has a thing called retries. You know, you put, like, the number three. So you wanna explain it, you're like, oh, you put a comment in that's max three, then give up.
Shay Nehmad:You didn't hear it, you didn't read it, but in audio, I paused there, right? I paused because there's a comma. Okay. Apparently the modernizer, when it takes this like struct and then, you know, changes the Just moves around the curly braces to around the other option as well, like in a separate line, doesn't realize that, you know, there's a comma in there, and then it doesn't compile.
Jonathan Hall:Oh, it treats it treats that comma as though it shouldn't inject a new line. Yes. Even though it's part of a comment, so it shouldn't, is is kind of what you're saying. Is that is that?
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. That's exactly the
Jonathan Hall:problem. Okay.
Shay Nehmad:It's the embed lit modernizer. So it's a I guess it I mean, come on. It's a real weird edge case. Not only do you have a inline comment in one line, which is something I never do. Like, I always put the comment with slash slash at the end of the line, which wouldn't It break also has to have a comma.
Shay Nehmad:So I don't know. Thanks a lot, n n n k k k seven, Naoki
Jonathan Hall:Kuruda for recording The one person in the world who writes their code that way found the bug and fixed
Shay Nehmad:it. Yeah. So these are the sort of fixes you can expect in one point two seven point one. Some people, I guess, their code broke, but for most people I heard that the upgrade was totally fine. And also one hundred
Jonathan Hall:twenty six point eight, if you're still using that ancient version.
Shay Nehmad:Ugh. So July 2026 of you. Talking about the release, there was a release to crypto with vulnerabilities as well. But before we get to that, I wanna Like, what do the crowds say? What have you heard on the grapevine around 01/27?
Shay Nehmad:We had our episode last week Yeah. And, you know, everybody talked about it online. Do you did you see any specific feedback that you found interesting?
Jonathan Hall:I guess I've been living under a rock for the last few weeks.
Shay Nehmad:One place to you can always find, you know, an a new release, find a lot of feedback is Reddit. Of course. I opened the, like, mega thread for Go one twenty seven point zero released, and the the top comment just, like, really it tickled me just the right way.
Jonathan Hall:Okay.
Shay Nehmad:So the top comment, I really it tickled me just the right way from Tridus or whatever, swapped in the new UUID package and ran go mode tidy. And then there's like the diff where it's like github.com/google/uid, it was a direct dependency, and then it becomes github.com/uid, indirectdependency. Of course. I wonder how many years it will take until, like, you know, you run a GoMod tidy on a on a project, and then it removes the UID. You know what I mean?
Shay Nehmad:It has to permeate permeate through all the sub packages, right? Other comments, generally the vibes seem positive. People are linked to the interactive tour. People like the SIMD changes. People really like the internal UID package.
Shay Nehmad:I didn't think it was that big of a deal. It's just like doing the same thing.
Jonathan Hall:Mhmm.
Shay Nehmad:But people I guess they really care about it being part of the Go, like, package path and not part of the Google package path. Should we tell them that Go is by Google? And one other interesting comment I found is that someone upgraded from Go 126 to 127 and immediately observed 22% improvement in unmarshaling performance for JSON. So really cool things. Pretty cool.
Shay Nehmad:Right. And some people asked about JSON one versus JSON v one versus JSON v two. I guess they were confused about whether they had to upgrade. One comment I commented on, and I'm wondering what your thoughts about it are, is someone who's newer to Go wrote, I'm new to Go. And like, you know, in the past, people have been really reluctant to upgrade language versions.
Shay Nehmad:And I remember, you know, upgrading Python two to three, right, and that being a whole thing. The question is, should I upgrade to 1.27 immediately or should I stay on 1.27?
Jonathan Hall:And you're asking my opinion?
Shay Nehmad:Yes. I commented my opinion. Like, my opinion was just upgrade whenever you touch a project because usually they're very, very smooth.
Jonathan Hall:My opinion is you should have good enough tests on your project that you will know if anything important breaks immediately by just upgrading. And if you're not doing that, why are you calling yourself an engineer?
Shay Nehmad:Wow. Wow. Why are you calling yourself an engineer? It's fine. I mean, if you work at a company and they have bad practices, you could be a good engineer in a bad environment.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. Are there aren't any bad engineers. There are only engineers that have bad circumstances.
Jonathan Hall:I don't know about that. Anyway That's maybe Back
Shay Nehmad:to the question. Favorable of a view.
Jonathan Hall:Anyway, back to the question. My my approach is try the upgrade and see if anything breaks. And something broke for me, so I haven't done the upgrade yet. But it wasn't in Go one twenty seven itself that broke. It was think I mentioned this maybe last week.
Jonathan Hall:The dead code tool in the google.org/x/tools package doesn't support Go one twenty seven yet, and I depend on that in my CI pipelines. So I'm waiting for that to be upgraded.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. I mean, if you can, you should. If stuff is like broken or whatever, you can either wait or you can create PRs and fix it yourself. That's also something you're
Jonathan Hall:So I think the fix has landed. It just hasn't been released yet.
Shay Nehmad:Oh, yeah. So That that you can't affect.
Jonathan Hall:It's kind of one of those any day now, they'll tag a release and I'll be able to upgrade.
Shay Nehmad:One of the releases of vulnerability fixes in a Golang X crypto, you know, are not the fixes themselves are are interesting, but we won't dive into the full detail. Obviously, you should upgrade v zero fifty six. It's preventing a denial of service on channels for this is only relevant if your code handles SSH specifically, but maybe one of your dependencies doesn't If you use Git, for example, programmatically in your code, you could send a specific crafted message to deadlock the entire connection, and now you can't. And I've looked for who reported it and I couldn't find it, so I need to dig deeper. But thank you, Will Mortensen.
Shay Nehmad:If you're listening, come on the show and tell us more details about these vulnerabilities. We would love to talk to you. So all these big releases and, you know, lots of fixes, I'm I always sometimes yearn for, like, a tiny update.
Jonathan Hall:That's hilarious. I'm like, excuse me. I need to I need to recover from that joke.
Shay Nehmad:Oh, recover. Nice.
Jonathan Hall:Yeah. We we did not set it up, by the way, at all. That was completely ad lib. No nobody had any idea that was coming out.
Shay Nehmad:Totally natural. Couple of things filmed in front of a live studio audience.
Jonathan Hall:We are a
Shay Nehmad:live studio audience. Like, this is a this is I'm at WeWork, and this is, like, Windows. So Yeah. Their other office on the other side is also has Windows, so they just see me talk. They're not aware that they're a live studio audience, but they are.
Jonathan Hall:Anyway.
Shay Nehmad:Hey, guys. Yeah.
Jonathan Hall:Tiny Go 0.42 has been released. What does this mean? It supports Go one twenty seven now. So if you're trying to build Go for embedded systems, Go one twenty seven is supported now. I had the pleasure of meeting Ron Evans, the lead I believe he's the lead maintainer on this.
Jonathan Hall:He's when I was in Seattle, and he's gonna be on the show next week, all things if all things work out. So stick around for that. But a little piece of inside baseball, he told me he had Go one twenty seven ready at that time for Tiny Go. But Go hadn't released one twenty seven yet, so he was holding on his release until one twenty seven was released before he released Tiny Go with one twenty seven support.
Shay Nehmad:Really love the idea of, like, getting to work with Tiny Go on a thing. Uh-huh. But I've never gotten into, like, actually getting a chip and, like, soldering it and whatever.
Jonathan Hall:You don't need to do soldering. You don't need to do soldering. I mean, you can, but I I have an ESP 32. You can't see it. It's just off screen here.
Jonathan Hall:It's hanging on my wall. I don't need Tiny Go for it for what I intend to use it for. But I could put TinyGo on there. And I'm trying to find a reason to install TinyGo on an ESP32. Anyway,
Shay Nehmad:what project I could do with my kid with like And what do I need to order? What's the cheapest way to get into this stuff and then have a reason to install this new version with Go 127 support?
Jonathan Hall:It's good that you asked that because one of the big features of this release of Terni Go is more ESP32 support. So it has better support. Believe if I understand, we'll have Ron talk about this next week. But ESP 32 had support already, but I don't think it supported the Wi Fi chip yet, or maybe it was the Bluetooth chip or something like that. But I believe that that's complete now.
Jonathan Hall:So so there's less reason not to. As far as the cheapest way, I think just buy an ESP 32, which is about $5 on Amazon. Then and then you need to connect it. They're super, super cheap. And then you need to connect connect it to something.
Jonathan Hall:You can connect it to an LED screen or some sensors or something to do something with it. But yeah, it's as far as the chip itself, little PCB, it's incredibly inexpensive to buy one. Usually you buy like a package of five for like $20 or something like that. They're insanely cheap. The other big thing, and this goes back to the silly pun I just did, now supports Recover.
Jonathan Hall:Apparently, didn't. As someone who has not yet used TinyGo, I guess that's surprising to me. I'm sure there are interesting reasons it hasn't supported Recover until now, which we will probably learn about next week.
Shay Nehmad:So now if you divide by zero or whatever, you can recover or Neil de reference or all these?
Jonathan Hall:De reference. Yeah. All that fun stuff.
Shay Nehmad:I guess, actually, when you're working with like chips, sensors, whatever, random numbers and noise and electrical stuff, like, can get some weird, inputs to your program more than if you're just, like, reading JSON off. You know what I mean?
Jonathan Hall:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Shay Nehmad:The Tiny Go 0.42. We discussed this with someone else. I think it was Jamie on the Slack channel. Like, why isn't Tiny Go versioned the same way as Go
Jonathan Hall:versions? Right.
Shay Nehmad:Like, why wouldn't they have one twenty seven? Why isn't it TinyGo one twenty seven? You know what I mean?
Jonathan Hall:Yeah. So We should talk to Yeah. We talked about that with regard to to Open API, right? Because why is OpenAPI whatever not called 3.1?
Shay Nehmad:Gen code to be like, oh, we're now OpenAPI 3.1 or whatever. Yeah. But I guess it gives you like independence
Jonathan Hall:to do what So like you need to be able to implement things, add features, bug fixes that aren't tied to that other spec. We have the same problem with Go for JS, go to JavaScript compiler that I'm a co maintainer of. That, you know, if we want to add a new feature to, say, the build tooling that doesn't affect the programs that can compile, how do you version that? So what we do is we call it gopher. Js 1.22 for go one point twenty two point three or whatever.
Jonathan Hall:So we we kind of closely follow their versioning, but not
Shay Nehmad:Not exactly.
Jonathan Hall:Not exactly, which is the same approach I've taken, by the way. I should have mentioned this. For Go For Lint, Go For Lint one twenty point twenty seven point one is out, and has nothing to do with Go one twenty seven point one except that the 1.27 is the same. So Go for Lint being my fork of Golang CI Lint, that is a bug fix only release. So if you're if you don't want your linter to break mid release cycle, have a look at Go for Lint.
Shay Nehmad:The TinyGo project, I'm I was thinking about it like, oh, I could do like a tiny thing, but it looks like it's actually running on real industrial processors as well, which would make sense. Right?
Jonathan Hall:So that that is one of the things mentioned in this post is that you can now use it on a PC with UEFI. So you can actually, like, boot into Go before you load an operating system kernel.
Shay Nehmad:Very cool things that I wish I had time to play with, what I'll tell you.
Jonathan Hall:I wish I wish I knew I wish I had a reason to care about that because it sounds cool.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. Well, I might I have I don't I don't know if I should admit this on air, but I I pay for Amazon Prime. So I have, like, overnight shipping, and they actually opened my garage and put it there. So saying $20 for five
Jonathan Hall:Something like that. Yeah. It's pretty cheap. I'm gonna
Shay Nehmad:I'm gonna order it. I'm gonna order it right now and see how
Jonathan Hall:it goes. Awesome. Awesome. Keep this
Shay Nehmad:And then I won't have time to do it until our next episode. Actually, you know what? It's Labor Day weekend.
Jonathan Hall:That's right. You have plenty of time.
Shay Nehmad:Day. Oh. Yes. I'm doing it.
Jonathan Hall:Awesome.
Shay Nehmad:Cool. Cool. Cool. Let's move to a quick, quick lightning round. Lightning round.
Shay Nehmad:Alright.
Jonathan Hall:First, the lightning round. You've heard about HTTP query method, I assume.
Shay Nehmad:I have not, but
Jonathan Hall:You have not?
Shay Nehmad:I think I have. I think we discussed it once and it's it's a new like get and post, right? Get post delete. Now you have query.
Jonathan Hall:Right. It's like a a get with a body, which is useful if you need something bigger than a URL payload can carry. I suppose it provides some security implications as well because you can like hide a payload inside of the body that doesn't show up in proxy logs or whatever. I wouldn't say this is the first big change to HTTP other than HTTP two or HTTP three. But as far as this sort of the Dell HTTP, this is the biggest change in quite a long time.
Jonathan Hall:It's not an architecturally complicated change, but Go supports it now and the HTTP query method is now a constant. Go, that was accepted or will be, I guess, at 1.28. So that's that lightning, lightning fast.
Shay Nehmad:Query method. I just used post with with a body whenever I had to do it, so that makes a lot of sense.
Jonathan Hall:The problem with using post for that is it doesn't it's not cacheable. But query, I guess There in principle could
Shay Nehmad:are a lot of problems. It makes a ton of sense. I'm just like, I'm surprised it took that long, actually.
Jonathan Hall:Indeed. Indeed.
Shay Nehmad:My lighting round item is a blog post that checks out the new GoJSON API. V2, Daniel LeMier, which I think we mentioned on the show a few times in some other posts. Yeah, he did some analysis with standard datasets, which I wasn't aware of called SIMD JSON. So they have three files where they, one called Twitter. Json, nested objects with short string keys, Canada.
Shay Nehmad:Json, which is just a large array of coordinates, and CITM catalog, which is nested objects with numeric keys. If you parse it into Any, it's faster. If you parse it into like a known thing, it's slower. There isn't deep analysis, but the code is available. So if someone wants to like figure out why unmarshaling is faster across the board, marshaling is faster for any, but it's slower for type structs.
Shay Nehmad:That's interesting. I can't believe there would be a case where you would use both JSON v one and JSON v two, because usually you either care only about marshaling or only about unmarshaling performance. You know what I mean? I can't imagine like an application scenario where you care about both of them at the same time. But I guess if you do, you can take a look at this blog post and pick and choose which library you use for which case.
Jonathan Hall:Alright.
Shay Nehmad:And that does it for the show this week. No ad break, but if you wanna support us, you can do so directly via Patreon. That's the best way to support us or share the show. Write about it, share it with friends, colleagues, and whatever. All the links to all the things, including the soon to disappear shop are at cupogo.
Shay Nehmad:Dev, and you can also email us at news at cupogo. Dev. Awesome. I hope that was short enough.
Jonathan Hall:I think so.
Shay Nehmad:I'm like trying to condense the ad break. We're still trying to to figure out when to put it. And thanks everybody on our Slack channel for you know, recently we had a few questions about, oh, should we do two episodes a week, whatever, about the new YouTube shorts format, about all these things. And we've gotten a lot of useful feedback, which is mostly, I don't know, it's a podcast, just keep it coming.
Jonathan Hall:Very good. I think that does it.
Shay Nehmad:All right. Program exited. Program exited. Program exited. Goodbye.
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