Maps and CVEs: They just keep growing!
It's like 97% go. I'm just wondering why you have 2% Python, but nobody... Nobody's Nerfrect. Right? Oh my God.
Shay Nehmad:This show is supported by you. This is a cup of go for Halloween, 10/30/2026. Keep up to date with the important happenings in the go community in about twenty minutes per week. I'm Shay Nehmad. I'm Jonathan Hall.
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Shay Nehmad:Like, no, it's Shay. Whatever. So we have some interesting stuff to talk about today. It's kind of a weird selection. We have a proposal, we have vulnerability, we have Estonia election, Estonian election.
Jonathan Hall:Who are you gonna vote for in Estonia?
Shay Nehmad:Man, I don't know, but I usually vote... I think last year they had a really good Eurovision song. Oh. So that was good. But before we go into that, I just wanna say whoever is, on these AI based growth bull...
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Jonathan Hall:Can you
Shay Nehmad:tell me about growing maps? Yeah.
Jonathan Hall:So this is a new proposal here to grow the maps package to include a grow function.
Shay Nehmad:Nice.
Jonathan Hall:How was how was that for a pun? So the idea here... So you may know this, that you can pre allocate the size of a slice or a map with the the make built in. Right? So you know that you're going to have 15 things in your slice.
Jonathan Hall:You can do make and you can create either an empty slice or a slice with 15 things in it automatically, but it's pre allocated to that 15 length.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah, the reason that would be better is because if I don't do that, it starts with some small size, And then as I append more stuff to it, it has to reallocate space.
Jonathan Hall:Correct. So it exercises your garbage collector and extra memory allocations and whatnot. Yes. For 15, it probably doesn't matter that much, but or at least it's one off. But the idea here is that you can the new maps.
Jonathan Hall:Grow function would let you kind of do the same thing, but for an existing map. So you already have a map that has, say, five things in it, and you know you need to add a thousand more to it and you don't want to do this intermediate reallocation every time you hit that limit. So you can grow it by however many you want. And it does it in one step, so you don't have that problem. So this has been accepted.
Jonathan Hall:Should come in the 1.28, I guess. So not something I'll use that much, but a nice thing to have available when I do need it.
Shay Nehmad:So one of the things with proposals I'm very familiar with is that you got to show why you need a thing, just because like, why does it belong in the standard library? Why do you need it? And you mentioned you wouldn't need it. Do they point out in the proposal, for example, like what are some concrete cases that looking at an existing map and growing it would be useful? Because, you know, if it's just, well, we can add it, but there's no actual usage for it, why add it then?
Jonathan Hall:So I do think there's usefulness for it. I think it is a useful feature. It's just one that the sorts of programming I do doesn't need very often. But for certain types of programming, you need it a lot. And this this feature or this this proposal actually was split off of a much earlier proposal that was proposed back in 2022.
Jonathan Hall:And there's some of that some benchmarking there that shows at certain points, as your maps grow, there are certain thresholds where the performance kind of drops off a cliff. So they definitely have demonstrated, at least academically, that this can be an issue. As for real world impact, I imagine for most programs, this is going to have a negligible impact. For certain programs, you know, where you have lots of maps that are being reallocated infrequently, it could have a big impact.
Shay Nehmad:I assume for telemetry libraries, right? You have like these traces and then you know what the final size is going to be when you merge them into a big thing. But if you just add them one by one, it's going to be very slow. Yep. And this is accepted.
Shay Nehmad:Does that mean that it's going to be in the next version or is it Not predicted strictly to
Jonathan Hall:speaking, but I predict because why wouldn't it? It's a fairly simple feature to build.
Shay Nehmad:Famous last words. Cut to someone debugging at 3AM at the night. Alright. What do you know about Estonia?
Jonathan Hall:I kinda know where it is. Do you know how their flag looks? No. I'm a
Shay Nehmad:pretty Are you not a big, geography guy? No. It's like blue, black, white. It's pretty distinct. So Estonia has elections,
Jonathan Hall:Oh, that's good.
Shay Nehmad:Which is pretty normal. By the way, it's somewhere there between Finland and Latvia, yeah? And apparently, their election system is mostly in Go and is open sourced. Interesting. Which is interesting because my personal opinion of, you know, digitised or online voting is irrelevant, even though you could do it worse, you could do it better, is it safe enough?
Shay Nehmad:In my opinion, never, but whatever. It is interesting that it's totally open sourced and also in Go, which is not the first language I would think, you know, some government thing would be programmed in, right? But then I dug into the code a little bit and I dug into the Reddit thread a little bit. In the code, you see that it's Go, but it's written by Java developers, because you have like the controller is a controller controller. You know what I mean?
Shay Nehmad:You have this like... Right. You have this like Java y looking ceremony to the code. It is interesting why it's open source. So what's the like justification?
Shay Nehmad:Justification is like the application development is not open source. There's no reason to open pull requests or whatever. It's just to make it available for public review.
Jonathan Hall:Makes sense. Does it? I think so. There have been a lot of scandals in The US about the elections software being hacked or whatever. I think this could be one way to help mitigate or at least discover some of that and address some of those concerns.
Shay Nehmad:Oh, so you think like putting out the code as open source benefits the people who like want to make sure that the election is sort of legit?
Jonathan Hall:Yeah. Make sure that there's not backdoors and funny business going on and switching votes and whatnot.
Shay Nehmad:That's, I mean, that's true, question mark, because there's so much more that goes into the process of like taking this software and then compiling it, and then you have to prove that the compilation result is the same, and then you deploy it, and you got to make sure the deployed artifact is the same as the compiled. Like there's so much more
Jonathan Hall:in the
Shay Nehmad:chain of...
Jonathan Hall:That's not sufficient, but it's a good step, I would say.
Shay Nehmad:I would say, yeah, but also does it maybe benefit more the people who want to mess with the system because they don't have to go through the step of, I mean, what dependencies it has and how does it work? Like, does it benefit the attackers or the defenders more to see the code?
Jonathan Hall:I think the general argument is that it helps the defenders more, and I think I agree with that. Because, it helps the attackers, but at least at that point, they're on they're on an even playing field. The the alternative is is security by obscurity, which served Microsoft in the nineties, but I don't know if it serves anybody these days.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. So I don't know. That's an interesting discussion of itself. Obviously, that you can go into the actual website and look into it, but it's in Estonian, I think. I don't even know what language it is, so, I can't, make heads or tails of it.
Shay Nehmad:I don't even know. I have like the cookie acceptance thing. I don't know which option to click. Should I click or So I have no idea. Going into the Reddit thread though, there was one interesting comment that I was interested in your opinion about, which is someone who is Estonian, ten years of software development, five of which are in government, like, you know, working for companies for the government.
Shay Nehmad:All the government development work is done by private companies, which is super standard, right? Like you outsource the work. And he says that Go was chosen to basically vendor lock the government into choosing the same company because it was rare at the time. So you can compete on procurement on like, oh, I know, go, versus what, you know, most of the government software, which is written in Java, which is what I would assume, because, you know. And I was wondering if that is something you ran into, because you've done a lot of contract work and whatever, that people, companies used Go, but they didn't actually want to, just someone picked it for vendor lock in.
Jonathan Hall:I have not experienced that. If anything, I've seen the opposite. There was a project... I didn't actually work on it, but I remember talking to the company. It was a project written in Haskell, and they were switching to Go because they wanted to avoid vendor lock.
Jonathan Hall:You know, they were Because not in Haskell. Yeah, exactly. So that seems more common, at least these days. I don't know how old this project is. It certainly was a time when Go was pretty niche, so maybe it was an argument back then.
Jonathan Hall:But, you know, I haven't seen that.
Shay Nehmad:They... Seems like generally Estonia is digitizing a lot of things. I dug into it a little bit. Like, they are very advanced in their government digitization journey, which is interesting. But I don't know.
Shay Nehmad:I guess if you're into supply chain attacks, now you know exactly what versions of packages the Estonian government runs. So if you want to go clone those packages, you can go ahead and do that. I thought it was interesting. The link is in the show notes if you want to dig into the code a little bit yourself, but I didn't dig too much into the voting system itself because whatever.
Jonathan Hall:This would be a fun one for me to do to resurrect my Go Code Roast series on YouTube, maybe.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. But you know what? You just wanna make sure that you're not... You're criticizing the code, not the country or its government. You know?
Shay Nehmad:Right. Yeah. Alright. Alright.
Jonathan Hall:We've we've gotten political enough. Let's talk about something else.
Shay Nehmad:Yes. Something completely not political. The Linux kernel. I see a CVE thing, but it doesn't tell me which version of Go to upgrade to. I I think you've got it wrong.
Jonathan Hall:Oh, yeah. Hi, Gophers. A recent disclosure of CVE 2026 dash 98432 describes a use after free issue that impacts IPv4 TCP connection handling in the Linux kernel. Why is this on the go list?
Shay Nehmad:I don't know.
Jonathan Hall:So first off, what what is this, CV?
Shay Nehmad:It was discovered by Anthropic. Of course. We're in this world right now. We're in the world of... We discussed this slightly before the show.
Shay Nehmad:Again, is this good or not? So we talked about if open sourcing code for public review is good or not for security. Is Anthropic and other security, other AI frontier labs too? It's just Anthropic are top of mind right now. Exposing all the vulnerabilities that already existed, right?
Shay Nehmad:Is that good or not for security?
Jonathan Hall:Yes and no. So like in the long term, it's good, right? The question is, is it responsible in the short term? I think that's the question you're probably getting at, right?
Shay Nehmad:Not only. I mean, it's not like they're disclosing this irresponsibly. It just takes so long in real world infrastructure to respond. I mean, you know that there's some people still running Windows 2,000 servers and old versions of Solaris, just because it's so hard to actually move your business and patch stuff. Of course, now if you start a company, it's very easy to like repave your entire software with new dependencies all the time.
Shay Nehmad:But like for real companies, it's really hard to upgrade the Linux version on a server somewhere. Like it's really difficult. Obviously, what's the alternative, right? The alternative is...
Jonathan Hall:The alternative is that somebody discovers this and they don't tell anybody and they just exploit it. So...
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. So probably a net positive. So what is this specific vulnerability?
Jonathan Hall:So it's a remote code vulnerability with the best fix for this vulnerability is to upgrade to a patched kernel version. So, yeah, the question is, why is this related to Go? While a demonstrated exploit requires the target system to expose MPTCP, that is multi path MPP listener, the underlying bug is not specific to MPP. Is possible that the system with no MPTCP listeners are vulnerable to similar attacks. The Go part.
Jonathan Hall:Of Go 1.24, so this is fairly recent, you know, in the last few years, Go programs enable MPTCP by default for listen sockets on Linux. This default may So be
Shay Nehmad:I have a server, a Go server, that's listening to TCP, which is pretty Yeah,
Jonathan Hall:it's very likely.
Shay Nehmad:My Go software is listening to that socket and because it's on Linux and that vulnerability exists on Linux, I am exposed
Jonathan Hall:Basically, to your Go program may be enabling your Linux kernel feature that is exploitable. Now it does say you can disable this default with go debug equals multi path TCP equals zero if you want to.
Shay Nehmad:What does this... Will this cause my software to, like, stop working or just make it slower? Or like... I know that, you know, multipath TCP is probably faster than single path TCP, but I don't actually know what it does. I've never looked into it.
Jonathan Hall:So multipath TCP... Let's talk about that. Multipath TCP is an ongoing effort of the IETF that aims to allow transmission control protocol, TCP, connections to use multiple paths to maximize throughput. So it's my understanding, I my naive
Shay Nehmad:remember it now. It goes through different network paths. Like, can send you two packets and they go through two different routers.
Jonathan Hall:Exactly. And
Shay Nehmad:it still works. Right. Got it. Got it. Got it.
Jonathan Hall:So by disabling this feature, you would not get any potential benefits of that multiple multipath routing. Now, so so the the the to summarize, there's a bug in the Linux kernel. To fix this, you need to upgrade your kernel. Meanwhile, Go by default enables this feature in a way that could make vulnerable if something else isn't already doing that, which is a big it. Right?
Jonathan Hall:And that goes on to the next point. It says here programs may also be enabled or disabled on a per socket basis this way, and they talked about how to do that in Linux. But the bigger point here is that disabling this on a per program basis is listed as a fragile mitigation, and I would agree with that. If you only have one Go service running on your server and you disable this, you're probably fine. But there's a thousand other programs running on both servers.
Jonathan Hall:Many of them aren't. Yeah, you may.
Shay Nehmad:You might have some agents, you know, that you installed from your observability provider that's collecting logs or whatever, and it has a listener for that sort of. Is Or that
Jonathan Hall:a mail server or an HTTP server? I don't know if don't if patch fixes you patch
Shay Nehmad:your kernel, then you don't need to touch your Go program. Your Go program is fine. Right. Got it.
Jonathan Hall:Which is why they say, finally, getting to the end here, at this time, we believe it is premature to consider making any changes to Go, such as disabling this by default. Further discussion of this issue may ensue and give a link to the issue tracker. So basically, you can disable this feature in your Go programs, which may, in some rare cases, be sufficient to not trigger this on your system. But the real solution is to upgrade your Linux kernel.
Shay Nehmad:Okay. So the reason not to change the default in Go is because the vulnerability is in Linux and not in Go, basically.
Jonathan Hall:Basically, yeah. So Go just opts into a feature that is likely already opted into by some other program. Mhmm. So you can opt out of it. And if if you're successful in doing that across your entire system, maybe you're safe.
Shay Nehmad:But some, like, some software running on your system might be like a third party thing. Sure. That doesn't... It's not even written Go and like, you know, has MPTCP. So...
Jonathan Hall:Exactly. Exactly.
Shay Nehmad:There's no defense other than upgrading your... Effectual. Patching your kernel. Yeah. But that's, I mean, if they did do that, if they did change something in Go, that would open the door to, okay, now there's a bug in Postgres, maybe you can change this default in Go just because a lot of people use Postgres.
Shay Nehmad:Like, of course you don't want to start changing Go because of third parties.
Jonathan Hall:I do think it's valuable that they made this announcement. Like if you're in some situation where you simply cannot upgrade your Linux kernel, then maybe you should do some of these mitigations for that service.
Shay Nehmad:I will say if you manage your Linux server and the only place you got notified of this vulnerability is through the Golang mailing list, you got to up your like vulnerability management and observability game. Like, something should look at your Linux server and let you know, hey, you have an UCV on that server.
Jonathan Hall:It's also good that they're just taking this seriously and exploring whether or not there's something they can do reasonably to help solve this. The real answer is no.
Shay Nehmad:Maybe it's also good that Anthropic is uncovering all the world's problems.
Jonathan Hall:Maybe so. All
Shay Nehmad:right. We've been talking for twenty minutes. No ad break, but we do want to mention, first of all, say thank you to all our Patreon supporters. That's the best way to support the show. We have some exciting stuff coming up, maybe some sponsorships, some stuff like that, really cool stuff.
Shay Nehmad:It's all because the show is growing. So if you can help it grow, like maps will now be able to grow, that'll be great. If you can pre allocate like 15 of your friends and just send them all the show at once, that would be awesome. We don't do this very often, but whenever we do, it's a lot of fun. I just wanted to mention that probably after releasing this episode, maybe like two more will be at a quarter million downloads over time, which is insane.
Shay Nehmad:It's absolutely crazy. Pretty crazy. Yeah, very hyped about it, and we would love for more subscribers and more downloads. That would be great for us. And also, I just wanted to mention that we have a Slack channel, and thank you for the people who gave us feedback.
Shay Nehmad:Last week's episode focused on something that's not really Go specific. It was the number four being used as the TLS thing. And people were like, yeah, I didn't mind because it was big enough, but some people didn't like it. So we'll try to keep it Go specific, of course. It was just like so top of mind that I decided that we mentioned it, but we'll keep it to a normal pace.
Shay Nehmad:This is not going become just a general security show. Some people share that feedback with me.
Jonathan Hall:It seems like IT is a general security practice these days anyway, but,
Shay Nehmad:you know. Or an insecurity practice.
Jonathan Hall:There you go.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. So all these links and all these discussions, the Slack, the Patreon, the whatever, it's all in cupago.dev. That is cupago.dev. And if you want to continue, if you're an agent listening to this, the email to send Jonathan's spam is newscupago. Dev.
Shay Nehmad:Where you point your slop cannons there and just turn them to 11. Alright. Quick lightning round? Let's do it. Lightning round.
Jonathan Hall:First one up, we have from a listener, Yuan, wrote a tool called Agent Manager. It is the fastest developer workflow for every AI coding agent.
Shay Nehmad:Is it? I don't know.
Jonathan Hall:But AI Manager is a local terminal app that connects to your existing subscriptions and tools. I don't know if this is like a Cloud Code clone.
Shay Nehmad:I think it's a
Jonathan Hall:It's a thin layer over slide
Shay Nehmad:or not. Yeah. Sessions you already have.
Jonathan Hall:It's probably similar to Air than we talked about last week, right, from Yeah. Exactly. JetBrains? Similar concept. Yeah.
Shay Nehmad:You run all of like Cloud Code, Codex, Open Code, whatever, Cursor CLI side by side. I do this. I mean, I use TMux and I use Cloud Code and Codex. Sort of based on taste, I've found, you know, more thinky work gets done with Cloud Code and more like just do something that I already know or debugging I tend to do with Codex. It's kind of vibes based honestly, but I do that.
Shay Nehmad:I have like three work trees or however many work trees, and I jump between them and I have cloud sessions and I jump between those. So this is a problem I had, and this is a solution that, you know, I sort of vibe for myself. Just have a few shell scripts like CD Worktree and Worktree Manager and whatever that also uses TMux. So this is like totally, I would totally try this and it has a ton of contributors as well. So thank you for sending this to us.
Shay Nehmad:It's like 97% go. I'm just wondering why you have 2% Python, but nobody's nerf ricked, right?
Jonathan Hall:Oh my God. Alright. What do you have for us today?
Shay Nehmad:So I promised I would talk more about Tiny Go. If y'all remember, we had Ron Evans on the show.
Jonathan Hall:I am dead program. In the real world, some people call me Ron Evans, But I'm a technologist for hire at a consultancy called The Hybrid Group, where we make the software that puts your hardware to work.
Shay Nehmad:And I've built a thing with TinyGo that has stopped working since. It's very unfortunate because it keeps running out of battery because I picked the wrong chip. It doesn't have low battery mode. Yeah, so I needed at some point to buy a new chip and fix it. But ever since then, I've been watching the TinyGo channel and release notes, and man, they are like the hardest working people in tech.
Shay Nehmad:They are improving a ton of stuff and they have a release 0.44.0 with like so many things, I can't even go into it. It's funny because they have generic things like, oh, now we support long struct tags, right? Like generic for entire TinyGo. And then they have very hardware specific things like, oh, in ESP32 S3 chips, I'm going to add a support for the CORS scheduler, because, you know, they have these like device, or for the Raspberry Pi two, we're going to keep some calculations out of startup, or make the random number generator safe across multiple cores. It's like very specific things and very generic things too, which is interesting.
Shay Nehmad:And yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot of work. One thing that I like that I will use when I fix my project that's not working, is that when you flash ESP32 chips now, it doesn't erase the whole thing. It used to erase the entire chip, and now it only erases the part that you're flashing, which would be much faster. So that's cool because that's how you iterate, right? You flash the chip and then you try, and then you flash the chip and then you try.
Shay Nehmad:So the faster you can do that.
Jonathan Hall:Are there emulators you can use to... Or maybe for certain chips there are, it might be difficult to do that right?
Shay Nehmad:There are for what I'm doing, which is like putting a thing in water. It's just easier to do a full software emulation to check my network stack and whatever and then run it on the chip because a lot of the problems come when you try to run it on the chip.
Jonathan Hall:Of course.
Shay Nehmad:Yeah. Yeah. But starting from, you know, network stack problems and ending in I didn't solder the thing correctly. It's It's
Jonathan Hall:hard to unit test a soldering connection. Yeah.
Shay Nehmad:Alright. That's it for this week. Thank you all so much for listening, and program exited. Program exited. Goodbye.
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